Buyfire Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 because they insist on biulding vehicles that liik like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W2W402 Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 When I went to pick up my truck I talked a lot to my salesman about GM. GM introduced that vehicle to go against the PT crusier! The PT crusier! Only six years late and the thing is ugly as hell!!! No wonder GM is getting sloppy seconds...they lost there ballz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sswolfpac Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 :puke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmidty77 Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Don't be suprised if you see hundreds of them everyday on the road. I thought the pt cruiser was stupid as hell, but they sold them like hot cakes. Old people will love these things! Lee and dcairns are trading there SSS's in for one. Just kidding gentlemen. Haven't cracked an old fart joke for waaaaay to long! No wonder i've had so many probs with my truck. Karma...it's a bitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan06SS Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 GM builds what the bean counters tell them to. They spend alot of $$$ on market research to determine which vehicles will net them the most profit... it may not always be right, but when the accountants are in control its what happens. I personally don't think it looks all that bad... not something I'd drive, but I'm sure the wife would like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W2W402 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 GM builds what the bean counters tell them to. They spend alot of $$$ on market research to determine which vehicles will net them the most profit... it may not always be right, but when the accountants are in control its what happens. I personally don't think it looks all that bad... not something I'd drive, but I'm sure the wife would like one. I think that's part of the problem, GM makes cars aimed at a certain group/ buyer catagory through GM's own Marketing...problem is their marketing sucks...obliviuosly. Look at the Quadrasteer and the GMC XUV. Both got the chop. Even after GM offered the Quadrasteer as a stand alone option they still only sold 5,502 in 2004. Quadrasteer will be phased out by end of 2005 model year. XUV has the same thing going. You know the GMC Envoy (trailbalzer) with a sliding roof...it never caught on.....two examples of GM's piss poor marketing. Creating competition for the PT Crusier is another prime example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan06SS Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I wouldn't say marketing is to blame in these areas. Those particular options were EXTREMELY niche markets... quadrasteer or the retractable roofs didn't have very wide appeal to the masses... if given the choice would you spend money on upgrades like OnStar, XM, heated seast, etc or would you choose an expensive retracting roof or quadrasteer system? I beleive we know the answer based on the sales numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W2W402 Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I wouldn't say marketing is to blame in these areas. Those particular options were EXTREMELY niche markets... quadrasteer or the retractable roofs didn't have very wide appeal to the masses... if given the choice would you spend money on upgrades like OnStar, XM, heated seast, etc or would you choose an expensive retracting roof or quadrasteer system? I beleive we know the answer based on the sales numbers. Exactly my point. Why would GM spend millions to build and research things like quadrasteer and retractable hard tops in an SUV like the XUV if there isn't a demand in the market??? Why would they even waste there time developing things like these if there isn't any demand for them...If there Marketing team was up to date they should have know that was a dead end road to begin with! Why not develop and perfect on things that are competitive in a heavy well balanced market...don't explore and develop like you said in the very select or "niche." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSThunder Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 GM is in trouble because they price all their stuff way too high. SS would have sold a lot more if the sticker was lower. Instead GM takes the cash off through discount and specials. The problem is they need to get the people in the door in the first place. More Potential Buyers = More Sales Also they need to give people what they want. SS would be nice with more power. What does SS stand for anyway, sure not So So. Give me power or give me a lower sticker price lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSoCal Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 is that the new chevy durango? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impalarasser Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Does the 2 billion GM had to pay to get out of FIAT play apart of their new junk status? seriously i dont know just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexaSS Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 SS would have sold a lot more if the sticker was lower. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan06SS Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Does the 2 billion GM had to pay to get out of FIAT play apart of their new junk status?seriously i dont know just wondering. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I believe it was a contributing factor, but only a part of it. My friend had a good point today: "Is GM's junk status going to stop any loyal GM buyers from coming back? Probably not." Hes right... I think it will discourage some potential new customers, but I don't think anyone who buys GM currently will stop b/c of a junk status rating... I know I'm staying GM for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan06SS Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I wouldn't say marketing is to blame in these areas. Those particular options were EXTREMELY niche markets... quadrasteer or the retractable roofs didn't have very wide appeal to the masses... if given the choice would you spend money on upgrades like OnStar, XM, heated seast, etc or would you choose an expensive retracting roof or quadrasteer system? I beleive we know the answer based on the sales numbers. Exactly my point. Why would GM spend millions to build and research things like quadrasteer and retractable hard tops in an SUV like the XUV if there isn't a demand in the market??? Why would they even waste there time developing things like these if there isn't any demand for them...If there Marketing team was up to date they should have know that was a dead end road to begin with! Why not develop and perfect on things that are competitive in a heavy well balanced market...don't explore and develop like you said in the very select or "niche." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> GM would spend that money b/c they saw a potential to beat the competition to market in a particular area. Theres no gain without risk... when you attempt to be the first in an area there is an inherint risk... if it was a for sure, proven winner then someone else has already done it. Potential market research and projections are all just numbers untill they actually are reality... I'm sure they saw a legitimate potential for those ideas to pan out... they didn't... lesson learned... cut your losses and move on to the next idea. If quadrasteer or panorama roofs had turned into big sellers they/we would be singing a different tune. My point is that I can see where GM is failing and its not in marketing. Their failure lies in the fact they allow accounting to control quality, cost, production, and every other facet of the company. I'm the VP of sales for my company and we have spent big $$$ on market research only to learn that what our guts were telling us was right in the first place... and if market research favors accounting (penny pinchers) good ideas can often be killed in the name of fiscal solvency... no matter how good an idea seems, the guys controlling the cash ultimately get to make the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthSS Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Getting rid of the Zeta platform will be a huge mistake, imho, for cars. Its not just US GM which is making stupid decisions. Not too long ago they made a decision to not put this car into production: Now, that is the same car as our GTO. How hard would it have been to punch that 427 out to a 455, and maybe supercharge it? ('sock it to me, baby, here come da Judge' ) They said the whole project would have been too expensive. But the car is already built...so why waste all that $$ on r&d then decide to not build it using parts that are already available? Now I know a lot of y'all dont care for the Aussie cars much-but I have been there and driven them, and they are pretty freaking good. My impression driving them was they feel similar to a BMW 5 series. I totally agree with those that say GM is too concerned with the $$$'s and not enough with their customer. Also, buying Fiat was muy estupido! I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.