SSThunder Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 $4750 thats right That's not a bad price. I think these have went up in cost recently. If I had it to do again I would probably look for a used radix because of cost. Some people get these for around $2K-$3K and that's a huge cost savings. I still love my radix and I can't wait to try it out with zippy's new tune. I got it last night and hope to try it out tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black2003SS Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 I paid just over $3k for mine used off of a 2003 SS and he even threw in a billet 2nd gear servo and two gauge pillar pod with a boost and AFR gauge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krambo Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Well, here is my response... Some of you may recall that I wanted to do 13's on all motor, I did that (albeit a PITA for me) and soon wanted to do 12's. I had a feeling about this so when I installed my cam, I thought ahead and did a complimentary package that would assist me in the goal with a blower. I thought about the options and the Radix won out due to its HUGE knowledge base and believe it or not,...its limitations. I had no intrest of doing forged internals to handle 10+psi so the max output of the Radix on a 6.0L was real enticing. Besides, I liked the way it looked and the low end grunt with the AWD is killer on the street. The reliability is top notch as well. Well, I did hit the 12's but it just didn't "feel" as impressive to me and I soon wanted more. I thought about selling the radix and doing a mild 408 with a 100 shot but soon chose to see what the radix can do. Everyone says it "runs into a brick wall in the mid 12's" but I don't feel the same. Take Holty, he has the stock cam and still rips a 12.5. There is another guy that lives by me that also runs a very low 12 (I see you lurking Mach!) Granted, you can make more power on a smaller displacement motor but sacrifice TQ. I personally want the gobs of TQ with AWD since I didn't want a drag truck, just a surprising street truck. The Radix can take you there but it will be alot of hard work and innovation. I have some custom one-off pieces that I have learned work or do not work on the dyno. I like to share my findings with the group as this is a great hobby. Now that I touched the 11's, I really want more (its a sickness ). I have secured some funding and may do something a little sick Haven't made up my mind yet but if I do, the radix will not be part of the combo. Chase, BTW, I went to the track after work 2 weeks ago and layed down a 12.000 with my heavy Konig 20's, a DA over 1000 and at a less than desireable track. I will do some tweeks over the summer and land a 11.75 in the fall at 5500lbs. It can be done. Now get to that truck and bust out some 10's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIV Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 There are two things about the Procharger comments I don't agree with: 1. Procharger belt only takes about 15 minutes to change. I know that is 15 times longer than a stock belt, so maybe the hour was just an exaggeration to make a point. 2. The oil in the SC unit is synthetic, and yes it does get hot. But so does the hot engine oil being cycled through a Vortech unit. My IAT's at cruise match ambient. A full WOT track run only gets 10*-20* above ambient. Of course I believe that is more a function of the IC than the oil, but either unit will be using hot oil for it's lubrication. I do agree the air intake setup is a POS. And I do agree there aren't alot of people running these systems so there aren't alot of results...yet. Thanks, S.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithl3 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 brobradh77, Just for one more person with a procharger, I also came to the same conclusion in your first post as far as what the companies advertise. For me, getting out of college and purchasing the truck, I opted for the Procharger for a few reasons. Price Air/Air Intercooler No oil lines to run There are some disadvantages I ran into though. At the time they didn't come with injectors (which I bought for $450) just an FMU, and I had to get a custom tune once my cat's clogged and blew my motor from a Diablo Predator Tune. The dyno tune was an additional $250. All said and done the charger to set it up was less than $4,750 after tax, shipping, etc. installing it myself. I had to change a pulley ($100) to get advertised boost, and after that ran a 13.7 second quarter with cat back an e-fans on the truck. I have had the charger on the truck for roughly 25,000 miles and changed oil every 6,000 in the charger and the truck is strong. The track here at Lebenon should open mid April and I am hopeful to get a new time in my truck after a new transmission and miscellaneous other things. If you want a updated time from the older 13.7. As far as comparing to a radix, I would have been completely happy with a radix and at the time it came down to saving about $1,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolutionRaceWorks Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 (edited) I have been away a bit. Mostly because I have been in the process of moving. Besides that working on the truck. What I will say the pro's and con's some guys were pretty good allot of good info. Allot of opinions as well. The hard facts are supporting the procharger kit. Air to air intercooler. Faster heat transfer than anything else out there. The only reason the air to water in the vortech kit excels is the ability to load it down with ice water at the track and get super low IAT's under boost. The best you can do with a procharger is ice the air to air exchanger or spray nitrous on it at the track to drop the temps.. Vortech you can use ice water. Mind you.. simple chemistry.. it takes longer for water to transfer temperature than air. So once the water heat soaks it definitely will hold the heat twice as long if not longer than the air to air intercooler. There for in a hot lap race a 3 core intercooler back to back to back versus a air to water,without ice.. its pretty simple what it is going to happen. Self contained oiling.. if anyone were to complain about changing your oil every 3-6000 miles I would definitely say that performance automotive is definitely not for you. If you want something you don't have to maintain ride a bicycle and every time it breaks buy a new one. The self contained oiling system is far superior to both vortech and magnacharger. Reason being. The rotating assembly internally retains much less heat allowing the blowers to be run longer hours with less internal wear. Also procharger has proven in a magazine article using independent testing the oil temperatures from the SC blower versus a pan fed system are dramatically different. The Pan fed oil is much higher in temps than the SC blower. As far as belt maintenance.. I really think changing a belt on a maggie with a engine driven fan is more of a pain in the ass than changing a procharger belt. Yeah it takes a little more effort but you have to take the good with the bad. Overall performance. The bottom line is alot of the procharger guys in general that do have their kits are not really running around telling everyone they have what they do. It's not for lack of performance it's simply just a different crowd of people. Magnacharger cornered the market with their kit when it came out but if you notice this.. it was also the first kit to truly show its limitations on trucks with more mods than a blower. The Magnacharger ran out of steam first. It's not an inferior blower but.. it does not offer the higher ceiling the centrifugal's do. With Magna you have the option of moving up to the 122H kit now which promises some serious performance increases over the 112. Vortech offers larger headunits. Procharger offers larger head units.. they even offer one capable of supporting over 1500 horsepower without really making a ton of underhood changes to your brackets. Without a good supporting vendor in the SS community I think procharger has lacked support and lacked proof. The more important thing is procharger does not sell though just anyone. Ati specifically chooses their dealers by their reputation support and ability with the product. You can't just call summit and order a procharger. Furthermore you can't be some guy selling parts on ebay and try and get procharger and sell it. They are firm in making sure their dealers strongly support the customers and provide as much as they can for them to meet their needs. But with the ebay generation working a number on the performance parts industry... its following suit fast. As for my truck.. There should be some numbers coming in the next 3-4 weeks hopefully including track times. Just have been so tied up with moving halfway accross the country it's been tough. Edited March 22, 2007 by RevolutionRaceWorks (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSS04 Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 (edited) this is a good detailed thread. we should make it a sticky Edited March 22, 2007 by BlackSS04 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildhawker Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Hey all, new here ( )so go easy on me! Going to be picking up my new '07 (Classic) VMax this week, and have been reading all I can on this wonderful site to get my juices flowing again. On the topic of supercharging, has anyone ever considered Whipple (http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/)? I, having lived in Fresno, CA a while (I know, I know, I'm sorry too), came to see quite a few of these in the buddies trucks and some around town. Not saying it will be my #1 priority, but IF one were to look at forced air systems, would anyone here exclude Whipple from the mix? I look forward to reading tons more here, as well as (hopefully) contributing something to these pages. Take care, Brandon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobradh77 Posted April 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Hey all, new here ( )so go easy on me! Going to be picking up my new '07 (Classic) VMax this week, and have been reading all I can on this wonderful site to get my juices flowing again. On the topic of supercharging, has anyone ever considered Whipple (http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/)? I, having lived in Fresno, CA a while (I know, I know, I'm sorry too), came to see quite a few of these in the buddies trucks and some around town. Not saying it will be my #1 priority, but IF one were to look at forced air systems, would anyone here exclude Whipple from the mix? I look forward to reading tons more here, as well as (hopefully) contributing something to these pages. Take care, Brandon hey Brandon welcome to the site and get up some pics of your ride Here is a thread that compares the popular SC's on here including WHipple and I hope it helps. http://www.silveradoss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13056 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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