catdaddy300 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about the subject or if anybody was running one and maybe how the police like it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterp Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 (edited) Do you mean speed-hiding RADAR, or LIDAR/laser? You can own a device that captures electromagnetic energy (radar or lidar or FM radio, etc) but by law you cannot own/operate any device that emits energy without a license, the only exception being lightbulbs, microwave (2.4-ghz), CB radio, and a couple other bands that are 'public domain'. There are 3 exceptions to this law - jurisdictions of Canada, West Virginia, and District of Columbia, posession of any radar or lidar detector in those areas is on-the-spot confiscation, major ticket, and loss of CDL license if you're a trucker; I will go on record against these laws, because it's like saying that just because you bought a Corvette you have the premeditated intent to break the law... but that's a side-topic. For the REST of the 49-states: The LIDAR question is easy - you can't be busted for owning a laser-shifting device, because you are emitting energy in a band that by law is open to the public, you're emitting infrared light and that's legal even if it screws up the LEOs LIDAR operation. BUT an officer could choose to pull you over anyways and write you an 'estimated' speeding ticket, and additionally spot the lidar shifter and cite you for intentionally obstructing justice. Remember that this is a very gray area of the law, if you get pulled over with a laser shifter on the front of your bumper just expect a hard time on the roadside and you'll have to hire an attorney to have even a hope of getting out of that. The latest that I heard (I haven't used one) is that LIDAR shifters DO work. But again if you go roller-skating by the cop at 25-over they can tell and will chase you down to issue an estimated speeding ticket and do a vehicle search & investigate anything else that catches their eye. The RADAR question - to my knowledge (check me I might be wrong) Ka-band is completely regulated, meaning that only licensed devices can emit energy in this band, so posession of a device that emits Ka-band radar is not legal (it's against FCC law). K and X band OTOH are pretty-much open and public, just look at how many garage door openers and supermarket door sensors and burglar alarms use K-band - so you could probably get away with a device that broadcasts K & X band but there are two issues, first is that no 'progressive' law-enforcement organization I know of uses K or X band equipment anymore, in 10-years of driving I've never found X at all and K-band I have only seen a couple sherriff's deputy cars in very poor counties in western states using them (because they don't have the money to upgrade to Ka). So blocking K & X just won't help your cause. The other issue is that modern Ka-band equipment sends very intelligent signals, so these guns "know" their own broadcasts from any other Ka noise around them - so your jammer will have to sense and interpret the signal from the originating gun, and then send back a tailor-made reply for that specific gun; you can't just blanket the area with a blast of Ka noise and be effective. Also know that in the last 5-10 years the insurance companies have been taking advantage of tax writeoff laws and donating brand new speed enforcement equipment to LEOs, and I think this will continue for the forseeable future, it greatly lowers their tax burden and also "serves to protect the public motorist". To my knowledge, there has never been a device sold for 'faking' radar-detected speed that worked. My advice - 1) Buy and read The Speeder's Guide to Avoiding Tickets - this is a must read for everyone, even those who happily abide by all traffic laws, GET IT - http://www.amazon.com/Speeders-Guide-Avoid...s/dp/0380807580, this book is easy & entertaining to read and will make everyone a much better driver, Mr Manley gives 2 thumbs up! 2) Get a GOOD radar detector - Bel Driver STi (what I use, LOVE it) or Valentine-1 (runner-up = Escort X50, Vector 990) and learn to 'read it' right 3) BE SMART and know WHERE you can and cannot speed, I don't drive more than 5-over on city streets because it's dangerous for everyone and I never speed in school zones, again too dangerous; on the freeway, lookout lol 4) Don't overdrive your brakes, don't expect to be able to throw the binders on at 90+ and expect to scrub off 25-mph in a heartbeat - buy roadrace brake gear 5) If you want to get a LIDAR shifter then ok, but they are expensive and the only place I see LIDAR being used is on city streets (where I usually don't go fast enough to get ticketed) or on urban freeways/frontage roads patroled by city cops, so a LIDAR shifter IMO is a very limited use appliance to spend $1000+ on a countermeasure for it. My 2-cents. Mr. P. Edited February 4, 2010 by Mr. P. (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue2003SS Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 5) If you want to get a LIDAR shifter then ok, but they are expensive and the only place I see LIDAR being used is on city streets (where I usually don't go fast enough to get ticketed) or on urban freeways/frontage roads patroled by city cops, so a LIDAR shifter IMO is a very limited use appliance to spend $1000+ on a countermeasure for it. My 2-cents. Mr. P. Out here in California, I have seen California Highway Patrol use LIDAR on the Highways and Freeways. Most of the time it will be out of the heavily populated areas and it will be three or four of them hidden and one playing "terminator" on the shoulder with his LIDAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinnster Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Well you learn something new every day! I want to get either the Bell STI, or Bell STI-R since I would like to custom install it in my truck. The STI-R is now discontinued, which just means its cheaper for the mean time!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
got vortec Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 cops around here def use ka band....some of them stiill use the k band and they r starting to use laser a little more now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterp Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Out here in California, I have seen California Highway Patrol use LIDAR on the Highways and Freeways. Most of the time it will be out of the heavily populated areas and it will be three or four of them hidden and one playing "terminator" on the shoulder with his LIDAR. That's because everyone hauls balls up I-5 Mr. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catdaddy300 Posted February 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 That is one hell of some 2 cents but it is greatly appreciated. i learned alot lol, so now ill be looking at this Bel Driver STi.... Thanks Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketaylor4 Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 whats good for radars that can be mounted internallly that arent too expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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