Turbo VS Supercharger

[TurbochargedBerserker]

Are you going to threaten to beat me up next?

 

BTW, you can have the last word if it means so much I'm only playing with you at this point because PT.net is sloooooow.

[cyriusmuscle]

So i'm leaning towards the STS Kit specifically because of the hp gains and i think that they just sound bad ass going down the road. Berserker what upgrades would you recommend from the stock package. I only had one concern with running a turbo or a supercharger for that matter. Is it going to screw up my smog, i only ask because i've never had to worry about it and so it's new to me. Any help is appreciated.

[RevolutionRaceWorks]

You best call STS on their smog certificate and see if you can get it cleared that would be the best thing you can do with any modification. No smog check can play real havoc with your licence.. hence why when I move out there I am keeping all my stuff plated in IL

[TurbochargedBerserker]

So i'm leaning towards the STS Kit specifically because of the hp gains and i think that they just sound bad ass going down the road.  Berserker what upgrades would you recommend from the stock package.  I only had one concern with running a turbo or a supercharger for that matter.  Is it going to screw up my smog, i only ask because i've never had to worry about it and so it's new to me.  Any help is appreciated.

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I'd say you definitely want a GT67, an intercooler, 44# injectors, a fuel pump (intank, 255lph), dual boost controller (depending on what boost you want, they have 2 varieties, I went 5-15psi just in case, and given my current set up, don't regret it at all ), and get a local dyno tuner to give you a solid FI tune.

 

STS got carb certified a year or two ago, but talking to them as Rev suggests is a good idea. They can probably recommend a local installer if you want to go that way, and a local tuner.

[chpspecial]

I chassis dynoe'd 351 to the tires with a rough tune though full exhaust manifolds.. cats ect..

 

Heads and cam only put 351/388tq

 

 

 

 

Yep... at the SS event.. we had a track day too where were yah??

 

Oh thats right STS guys are afraid of the dragrstrip.. you know tooo much power might break something.

 

Im an STS owner and im not affraid of the track, If i havent been to one latly its becuase of a bunch of dumb luck that isnt my fault or STS's. However last time i was at an 1/8 mile track I ran an 8.3 at 8x miles per hour and that was at 7.5# of boost, and mail order tunning from nelson.

[TurbochargedBerserker]

Don't even sweat it Chp. That line is just the last retreat of everyone who is threatened by STS. They like to ignore all the trucks who post their times on PT.net and flat out spank them and pull up old problem runs / first runs from the guys who used to post here as if they mean something and then compare them to perfect / best runs from themselves or their favorite fast guy.

 

It's really funny though, when they use Makani's run on a proven bad tune, running a cam with so much overlap he broke the motor down after the run and changed cams, and a few other problems I don't even remember, and it's still over half a second faster than their time.

[RevolutionRaceWorks]

Don't even sweat it Chp.  That line is just the last retreat of everyone who is threatened by STS.  They like to ignore all the trucks who post their times on PT.net and flat out spank them and pull up old problem runs / first runs from the guys who used to post here as if they mean something and then compare them to perfect / best runs from themselves or their favorite fast guy.

 

It's really funny though, when they use Makani's run on a proven bad tune, running a cam with so much overlap he broke the motor down after the run and changed cams, and a few other problems I don't even remember, and it's still over half a second faster than their time.

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It's not the last line of retreat.

It is the truth. Why can't they post at SS.com? If they are so proud of it get it up over here. Send the guys over who want to spank.. I really wish they would come up it would be good for the forum to have some more guys other than radix'd trucks.

 

The bottom line is no one here has posted any fast times with a sts kit.

Fast meaning.. no one here is even talking about challenging azfastestss with his vortech blown truck.

 

I would love to get down with anyone with an STS kit. I am going to be naturally asperated next weekend at the M-11 event again with a new tune and trans shooting for 12's NA mind you.

[detjoe]

I am going to be naturally asperated next weekend at the M-11 event again with a new tune and trans shooting for 12's NA mind you.

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I cant wait to go, I have been praying for good weather.

You have Zippy's cam in there Frank?? That I want to see, and hear

 

and this started as "Turbo VS Supercharger"

both of you are too smart to let your FI preferance get you two at odds with each other, can t we get along or meet at the track.

 

Now that Berserker's truck is 2wd then your race with Frank will be smokey

 

And I feel the stock LQ9 is a big heat pump with those alum heads that soak it up, so with that said EVERY FI system needs an IC when they are going on these high compression motors.

 

very educated debate, I learned from both of you and about you guys too

[RevolutionRaceWorks]

I am going to be naturally asperated next weekend at the M-11 event again with a new tune and trans shooting for 12's NA mind you.

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I cant wait to go, I have been praying for good weather.

You have Zippy's cam in there Frank?? That I want to see, and hear

 

and this started as "Turbo VS Supercharger"

both of you are too smart to let your FI preferance get you two at odds with each other, can t we get along or meet at the track.

 

Now that Berserker's truck is 2wd then your race with Frank will be smokey

 

And I feel the stock LQ9 is a big heat pump with those alum heads that soak it up, so with that said EVERY FI system needs an IC when they are going on these high compression motors.

 

very educated debate, I learned from both of you and about you guys too

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Thanks Joe I plan on starting another thread to further discuss this in a more organised manner.

 

Actually I was one of the first if not the first to run the cam I have and I am running the Dart Pro1 heads.

 

At the zippy event I was having some serious tuning issues.. As for going up in smoke.. not anymore 1.92 60 foots without cal tracs.. I got those going on tomorow and I am running drag radials now... so 12s is reality.

 

Thanks for the feedback

[detjoe]

Thanks Joe I plan on starting another thread to further discuss this in a more organised manner.

 

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please do, I like the idea of NA, but will I feel it on the street or only in my trap speeds, I know zippy is a street guy so I am guessing I will feel it all over. How big of a deal do the heads/headers make??? I can t get those at the same time so I need to know what I will gain with cam, tuning, and (asking) injectors??

 

If you pay to advertise, then sell stuff no problem to me

[TurbochargedBerserker]

Don't even sweat it Chp.  That line is just the last retreat of everyone who is threatened by STS.  They like to ignore all the trucks who post their times on PT.net and flat out spank them and pull up old problem runs / first runs from the guys who used to post here as if they mean something and then compare them to perfect / best runs from themselves or their favorite fast guy.

 

It's really funny though, when they use Makani's run on a proven bad tune, running a cam with so much overlap he broke the motor down after the run and changed cams, and a few other problems I don't even remember, and it's still over half a second faster than their time.

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It's not the last line of retreat.

It is the truth. Why can't they post at SS.com? If they are so proud of it get it up over here. Send the guys over who want to spank.. I really wish they would come up it would be good for the forum to have some more guys other than radix'd trucks.

 

The bottom line is no one here has posted any fast times with a sts kit.

Fast meaning.. no one here is even talking about challenging azfastestss with his vortech blown truck.

 

I would love to get down with anyone with an STS kit. I am going to be naturally asperated next weekend at the M-11 event again with a new tune and trans shooting for 12's NA mind you.

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John runs N20 and a Vortech, not just a vortech. Show me the STS run with n2o that is slower than Johns. We certainly don't want to mention Quicksilverado's time that's within a 10th of John's N2O+SC runs on turbo alone, or 8ALTNG's times with an STS and a 4.8 in an ECSB that are within .6 of John's N2O+SC times, and faster than his SC only time...

 

Why do they have to post here to be fast? We don't have anything to prove to you or anyone else. it is only the truth according to your set of rules and in your little microcosm.

 

Then, you gotta ask yourself... Why should they post here? Just so guys like you can pick it apart and discount their accomplishments because they disprove your claims? you know where there times are, go look. Oh right, we don't want to know about the fast ones because they refute our claims and clearly show STS kits work just as well, if not better, than other apples-to-apples options.

 

Unfortunately, this site has more than adequately proved itself to by anti-STS, and that's the plain truth, starting way back when there were three of us prototyping kits for STS. Instead of supporting the board members that went to a GTG and ran their trucks, both were pretty much ridiculed (and neither one posts here anymore), even the one who did not let the ribbing goad him into turning up the boost too much for his tune and breaking some pistons... Instead of celebrating advances and accomplishments during tuning runs or even shakedown runs, those things are touted as "proof" that the kits don't work.

 

Honestly, you have a very inflated sense of self-worth if you think anyone cares what you think about STS. I'm only posting here to make sure open minded people who really want to know, have their questions answered by someone who has the knowledge and direct experience to actually ANSWER FACTUALLY.

[TurbochargedBerserker]

I am going to be naturally asperated next weekend at the M-11 event again with a new tune and trans shooting for 12's NA mind you.

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More power to ya, man. I honestly hope you make it.

 

 

BTW, I'm not at odds with Rev because he likes ATI. I do too -- go read my review of prochargers in the sticky. Personally, I'd run them over Vortech every day out of every week. I'm at odds with Rev because he tends to bash STS with things he considers to be "facts" that are actually nothing but opinion (and unfounded, uneducated to the reality of the situation opinions at that) based on the tiny filter of only looking at "facts" that support his ideas.

[zippy]

Wow, come on guys, you're from the same group.

[1slow01z71]

Good info, based on all the info over on pt.net I went with an STS due to easily being upgradeable when I go with a bigger air pump.

[brobradh77]

I have to say with all this mud slinging going on I am disappointed there were no "your momma " jokes included.