Whether you agree or not, this is food for thought.

[jon1178]

this is kind of long but well worth the read if you have a couple minutes i recieved it in an e mail.

 

 

SOME OF YOU (US) ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THAT NEARLY EVERY FAMILY

IN AMERICA WAS GROSSLY AFFECTED BY WWII. MOST OF YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE

RATIONING OF MEAT, SHOES, GASOLINE, AND SUGAR. NO TIRES FOR OUR

AUTOMOBILES, AND A SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILES AN HOUR ON THE ROAD.

NOT TO MENTION, NO NEW AUTOMOBILES.

 

 

 

READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD REACT TO BEING TAKEN OVER

BY FOREIGNERS IN 2007.

 

 

 

This is an EXCELLENT writing. Well thought out and presented.

It has Historical Significance.

 

 

Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of

Europe and hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat, and

had sunk more than four hundred British ships in their convoys between

England and America for food and war materials.

 

 

 

At that time the US was in an isolationist, pacifist mood, and

most Americans wanted nothing to do with the European or the Asian war.

 

 

 

Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage

Congress unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on

Germany, which had not yet attacked us. It was a dicey thing. We had

few allies.

 

 

 

France was not an ally, as the Vichy government of France

quickly aligned itself with its German occupiers. Germany was certainly

not an ally, as Hitler was intent on setting up a Thousand Year Reich in

Europe.

Japan was not an ally, as it was well on its way to owning and

controlling all of Asia.

 

 

 

Together, Japan and Germany had long-range plans of invading

Canada and Mexico, as launching pads to get into the United States over

our northern and southern borders, after they finished gaining control

of Asia and Europe. America's only allies then were England, Ireland,

Scotland, Canada, Australia, and Russia. That was about it. All of

Europe, from Norway to Italy, except Russia in the East, was already

under the Nazi heel.

 

 

 

America was certainly not prepared for war. America had

drastically downgraded most of its military forces after W.W.I and

throughout the depression, so that at the outbreak of WW2, army units

were training with broomsticks because they didn't have guns, and cars

with "tank"

painted on the doors because they didn't have real tanks. And a

huge chunk of our navy had just been sunk or damaged at Pearl Harbor.

 

 

 

Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of

$600 million in gold bullion in the Bank of England, that was actually

the property of Belgium, given by Belgium to England to carry on the war

when Belgium was overrun by Hitler (a little known fact).

 

 

 

Actually, Belgium surrendered on one day, because it was unable

to oppose the German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels into

rubble the next day just to prove they could. Britain had already been

holding out for two years in the face of staggering losses and the near

decimation of its air force in the Battle of Britain, and was saved from

being overrun by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of

thinking the Brit's were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt

with later, and first turning his attention to Russia, at a time when

England was on the verge of collapse, in the late summer of 1940.

 

 

 

Ironically, Russia saved America's butt by putting up a

desperate fight for two years, until the US got geared up to begin

hammering away at Germany.

 

 

 

Russia lost something like 24 million people in the sieges of

Stalingrad and Moscow alone... 90% of them from cold and starvation,

mostly civilians, but also more than a 1,000,000 soldiers.

 

 

 

Had Russia surrendered, Hitler would have been able to focus his

entire war effort against the Brit's, then America. And the Nazis could

possibly have won the war.

 

 

 

All of this is to illustrate that turning points in history are

often dicey things. And now, we find ourselves at another one of those

key moments in history.

 

 

 

There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, or

wants and may soon have, the ability to deliver small nuclear,

biological, or chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world.

 

 

 

The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in

Kaffiyahs -- they believe that Islam, a radically conservative form of

Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then

Europe, then the world.

And that all who do not bow to their will of thinking should be

killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust,

destroy Israel, and purge the world of Jews. This is their mantra.

 

 

 

There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East -- for the

most part not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its

Inquisition and its Reformation, but it is not known yet which will win

-- the Inquisitors, or the Reformatories.

 

 

 

If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will

control the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US, European, and Asian

economies.

 

 

 

The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC --

not an OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, but an

OPEC dominated by the Jihadis. You want gas in your car? You want

heating oil next winter? You want the dollar to be worth anything? You

better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic

Reformation wins.

 

 

 

If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslims

who believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions, and

live in peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th

century into the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will

eventually fade away, and a moderate and prosperous Middle East will

emerge. (The rational mind of today says this).

 

 

 

We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to

fight the Inquisition, i.e. the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda

and the Islamic terrorist movements. We have to do it somewhere. And

we can't do it everywhere at once. We have created a focal point for

the battle at a time and place of our choosing........in Iraq. Not in

New York, not in London, or Paris or Berlin, but in Iraq, where we are

doing two important things:

(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was

directly involved in 9/11 or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been

actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades. Saddam is a

terrorist.

Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, who is

responsible for the deaths of probably more than a million Iraqis and

two million Iranians.

(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with

Islamic terrorism in Iraq. We have focused the battle. We are killing

bad people, and the ones we get there we won't have to get here. We

also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which

will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East,

and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the

Middle East for as long as it is needed.

 

 

 

World War II, the war with the German and Japanese Nazis, really

began with a "whimper" in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor. It

began with the Japanese invasion of China. It was a war for fourteen

years before America joined it. It officially ended in 1945 -- a 17

year war -- and was followed by another decade of US occupation in

Germany and Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running on

their own again .. a

27 year war.

 

 

 

World War II cost the United States an amount equal to

approximately a full year's GDP -- adjusted for inflation, equal to

about $12 trillion dollars. W.W.II cost America more than 400,000

killed in action, and nearly 100,000 still missing in action.

 

 

 

The Iraq war has, so far, cost the US about $160 billion, which

is roughly what 9/11 cost New York. It has also cost about 2,200

American lives, which is roughly 2/3 of the 3,000 lives that the Jihad

snuffed on 9/11.

But the cost of not fighting and winning WWII would have been

unimaginably greater -- a world dominated by German and Japanese Nazism.

 

 

 

This is not 60 minutes TV shows, and 2 hour movies in which

everything comes out okay. The real world is not like that. It is

messy, uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly. Always has been, and

probably always will be.

 

 

 

The bottom line is that we will have to deal with Islamic

terrorism until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away if

we ignore it.

 

 

 

If the US can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq,

then we have an "England" in the Middle East, a platform, from which we

can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East. The history of

the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and

civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates. The Iraq war

is merely another battle in this ancient and never ending war. And now,

for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear

weapons. Unless somebody prevents them.

 

 

 

We have four options:

 

 

 

1. We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.

 

 

 

2. We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons

(which may be as early as next year, if Iran's progress on nuclear

weapons is what Iran claims it is)

 

 

 

3. We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in

the Middle East, now, in Europe in the next few years or decades, and

ultimately in America.

 

 

 

4. Or, we can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when

the Jihad is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad

has dominated France and Germany and maybe most of the rest of Europe.

It will, of course, be more dangerous, more expensive, and much

bloodier.

 

 

 

If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your

children, or grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the

Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law), an America that resembles Iran

today.

 

 

 

The history of the world is the history of civilizational

clashes, cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what

society and civilization should be like, and the most determined always

win.

Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The

pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.

 

 

 

Remember, perspective is every thing, and America's schools

teach too little history for perspective to be clear, especially in the

young American mind.

 

 

 

The Cold war lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin

Wall came down in 1989. Forty-two years. Europe spent the first half

of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting

Germany World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year

occupation, and the US still has troops in Germany and Japan. World War

II resulted in the death of more than 50 million people, maybe more than

100 million people, depending on which estimates you accept.

 

 

 

The US has taken more than 2,000 killed in action in Iraq. The

US took more than 4,000 killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944,

the first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi

Imperialism.

 

In W.W.II the US averaged 2,000 KIA a week -- for four years.

Most of the individual battles of WWII cost more Americans than

the entire Iraq war has done so far.

 

 

 

But the stakes are at least as high ... A world dominated by

representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal

freedoms .. or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement,

by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law).!!!!!!

 

 

 

WE ARE PUTTING THE WHOLE WORLD IN DANGER NOT ONLY US.

[nxtnlne]

Raymond S. Kraft Definetly food for thought.

[Bowtie70SS]

Unfortunatley we are a society of instant gratification. If the war is not over quickly support will fall off. The liberals are quick to point out the flaws, and as we all know hindsight is 20/20. I sincerely hope the war goes on and fullfills its original goal. The 2008 elections terrify me aaas of now the choices are shit sandwich or shit ala mode and I personally don't like either.

 

Dave

[air force vm]

Being in the US Air Force and haveing been to Iraq and other parts of the world I would like to see more people writting more things like that. I know that we are in the never ending war and the only thing that I have to ask for the american people is to tell the Government that we need to rebuild our military cause this is not going to end anytime soon. I hope that the liberals don't screw up our world and let them win cause that was it sounds like to me.

 

 

[Forever a Fan]

Unfortunatley we are a society of instant gratification. If the war is not over quickly support will fall off. The liberals are quick to point out the flaws, and as we all know hindsight is 20/20. I sincerely hope the war goes on and fullfills its original goal. The 2008 elections terrify me aaas of now the choices are shit sandwich or shit ala mode and I personally don't like either.

 

Dave

God bless our troops! KILL