Bypass The Trottle Body?!?

[bruiser04]

saw this and was wondering what kind of gains u get any input would be great thanks http://www.gm-trucks.com/resources/how-to/...dy-by-pass-mod/

[Punisher]

I have seen a lot of people do them and not very noticeable gains, but probably minimal on paper. I see you're from orange county, california. GM designed that particularly for the electronic throttle bodies so they will not freeze in cold weather.

 

I would do it regardless of minimal gains or not. You might get a few ponies but you will improve other areas as well such as fuel mileage, better burn denser (colder) air.

[12'SROCK]

I believe most everyone on this site has done this mod regardless of location. Its a free mod so why not do it....

[Punisher]

I believe most everyone on this site has done this mod regardless of location. Its a free mod so why not do it....

 

Doing it when you see 20 degree below zero weather your throttle body freezes, then you can't drive the truck makes the modification a little pointless. If its a daily driver reliability might be a concern.

 

GM designed it that way for a reason... Not so you get warm air in the throttle body specifically for you to lose horsepower and fuel mileage. Only for every single owner of a GM vehicle to have to modify the throttle body like it was peeling off the window sticker on your brand new vehicle or simple required vehicle maintenance.

Edited January 28, 2010 by HatchetSS (see edit history)

[12'SROCK]

Doing it when you see 20 degree below zero weather your throttle body freezes, then you can't drive the truck makes the modification a little pointless. If its a daily driver reliability might be a concern.

 

GM designed it that way for a reason... Not so you get warm air in the throttle body specifically for you to lose horsepower and fuel mileage. Only for every single owner of a GM vehicle to have to modify the throttle body like it was peeling off the window sticker on your brand new vehicle or simple required vehicle maintenance.

 

 

How will it freeze when there is no liquid substance inside of it?

[Punisher]

How will it freeze when there is no liquid substance inside of it?

 

.... Well, if you know anything about electricity, (which by the way you have a drive-by-wire throttle body [electric]) that temperature effects resistance. That would be called the Temperature Coefficient of Electrical Resistance. The colder it is, the more resistance it creates. Now if you freeze an electrical component to a certain temperature, it will not operate. No, I am not talking about 0 degrees like your freezer, I am talking 20 degrees below zero. Now I assume I am not talking to such an uneducated individual that you wouldn't have the brilliant idea to put your computer in your freezer now would you? I think not. With too much resistance nothing can operate, especially an electric motor which will create too much electrical resistance from the temperature and mechanical resistance from the frozen electric motor.

 

Here, let me help you out. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=temperature+coefficie...cal+resistance+

 

Now do you know what humidity is? It is the ratio of water vapor in the air. So yes, anything can freeze because there is such a thing as humidity. Water gets in, or around everything whether you like it or not.

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=humidity

 

 

Let me ask you, WHY would GM provide engineering, resources, and spend all the extra time, effort and money, designing something that you, WICKEDOWSIX think is so unnecessary? You know what, the engineers that are paid for their superior knowledge that understand the concepts of electricity, humidity, and electric motors are probably all wrong. You are probably a damn genius am I right?? Yes, of course. Because your lack of knowledge and plentiful ignorance the time and effort of something worthwhile to make GMs vehicles more reliable than something you could ever design or fathom is meaningless.

Edited January 28, 2010 by HatchetSS (see edit history)

[12'SROCK]

.... Well, if you know anything about electricity, (which by the way you have a drive-by-wire throttle body [electric]) that temperature effects resistance. That would be called the Temperature Coefficient of Electrical Resistance. The colder it is, the more resistance it creates. Now if you freeze an electrical component to a certain temperature, it will not operate. No, I am not talking about 0 degrees like your freezer, I am talking 20 degrees below zero. Now I assume I am not talking to such an uneducated individual that you wouldn't have the brilliant idea to put your computer in your freezer now would you? I think not. With too much resistance nothing can operate, especially an electric motor which will create too much electrical resistance from the temperature and mechanical resistance from the frozen electric motor.

 

Here, let me help you out. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=temperature+coefficie...cal+resistance+

 

Now do you know what humidity is? It is the ratio of water vapor in the air. So yes, anything can freeze because there is such a thing as humidity. Water gets in, or around everything whether you like it or not.

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=humidity

 

 

Let me ask you, WHY would GM provide engineering, resources, and spend all the extra time, effort and money, designing something that you, WICKEDOWSIX think is so unnecessary? You know what, the engineers that are paid for their superior knowledge that understand the concepts of electricity, humidity, and electric motors are probably all wrong. You are probably a damn genius am I right?? Yes, of course. Because your lack of knowledge and plentiful ignorance the time and effort of something worthwhile to make GMs vehicles more reliable than something you could ever design or fathom is meaningless.

 

Oh thats right.. So they have coolant hoses running through the window motors, seat motors and windshield wiper motor so they can function properly in -20 degrees.

[Punisher]

Oh thats right.. So they have coolant hoses running through the window motors, seat motors and windshield wiper motor so they can function properly in -20 degrees.

 

I can see now you are mentally challenged. Are window motors, seat motors, and windshield wiper motors essential for reliability and DRIVING your truck??? No you stupid ****, no.

 

RELIABILITY is DRIVING your vehicle, operating it as it should be operated.

 

Can you drive your truck with no throttle body? Hell no. Hell ****in no. So what use is a damn vehicle if you can't drive it? The last time I checked you can drive a vehicle without window/seat/wiper motors, in fact, I do all the time!!!!

 

You lubricate, maintain, and prevent drive-ability issues to your engine, transmission and drive axles. Do you lubricate your tracks on your seat, your wiper assembly, window tracks? HELL NO. WHY? THINK! Use your brain, God gave it to you for a reason.

 

Like I said before, the engineers that have three times the IQ as yourself are being paid insane salaries because they know how to design vehicles. You don't. So shut the **** up and get a ****ing education. But never think you'll become an engineer, the least everyone can hope is that you no longer will waste a human body on this earth any longer.

 

At the least, be somewhat sensible. There is weatherstripping in a vehicle to prevent the environments weather from entering the cabin, so it will keep an excess of moisture out of the cabin preventing interior freezing. Have you ever experienced frost in the morning? Have you noticed there is no weatherstripping sealing your engine compartment from the elements. Moisture collects around everything in your engine compartment much more than it would in your interior.

Edited January 28, 2010 by HatchetSS (see edit history)

[12'SROCK]

I can see now you are mentally challenged. Are window motors, seat motors, and windshield wiper motors essential for reliability and DRIVING your truck??? No you stupid ****, no.

RELIABILITY is DRIVING your vehicle, operating it as it should be operated.

 

Can you drive your truck with no throttle body? Hell no. Hell ****in no. So what use is a damn vehicle if you can't drive it? The last time I checked you can drive a vehicle without window/seat/wiper motors, in fact, I do all the time!!!!

 

You lubricate, maintain, and prevent drive-ability issues to your engine, transmission and drive axles. Do you lubricate your tracks on your seat, your wiper assembly, window tracks? HELL NO. WHY? THINK! USE YOUR BRAIN. GOD GAVE IT TO YOU FOR A REASON.

 

Jesus Christ you are a dumb son of a bitch.

 

Like I said before, the engineers that have three times the IQ as yourself are being paid insane salaries because they know how to design vehicles. You don't. So shut the **** up and get a ****ing education. But never think you'll become an engineer, the least everyone can hope is that you no longer will waste a human body on this earth any longer.

 

 

LOL.. Yes they are... So in -20 degree weather If you can't run your defroster (has and electrical motor) how can you see? If you can't use your windshield wipers how can you see if its snowing or raining?

 

And relax Einstein before you blow your head gasket....

Edited January 28, 2010 by WICKEDOWESIX (see edit history)

[superslowss]

I believe most everyone on this site has done this mod regardless of location. Its a free mod so why not do it....

 

Before this thread gets locked, I would say go ahead and do it. I guess just be mindful if you are going to be running it in a very cold climate.

[Punisher]

LOL.. Yes they are... If you can't run your defroster (has and electrical motor) how can you see? If you can't use your windshield wipers how can you see if its snowing or raining?

 

And relax Einstein before you blow your head gasket....

 

Einstein? Okay, I like nicknames. How do you like, Forrest Gump?

 

Ok Forrest. Let me break this down for you.

 

The vehicle cannot drive if:

 

It has no form of energy to move. (I.E. if you have no operating throttle body)

 

It has no form of transferring the energy. (No transmission, axles)

 

It needs to have operating brakes for the vehicle to drive, otherwise it cannot stop.

 

Now the functionality and reliability OF its functionality is not determined by a defroster that was not used for many years and substituted for a window scraper for ice, and a rag for fogged up windows. As well as windshield wipers was not standard on vehicles until 1916 and people at the time did fine without it. Why? Because it has nothing to do with the drive ability, functionality, and reliability of a vehicle.

 

You would call defroster/defogger, wiper blades, wiper motors as a convenience.

 

Have you been to a drag strip? Have you seen a real race car. Gutted to its base needs, they don't have defroster/defogger, wiper blades, wiper motors, or electronic seat motors. They work using a vehicles drive ability needs. Have you noticed that? Wow, what a concept.

 

Now when GM designs a new top of the line vehicle, they assume mentally challenged morons aren't beating on their car windshield saying they can't drive because their window motor doesn't operate (I.E...you). Rather they are concerned about someone actually driving their car and it functioning properly to drive.

 

THAT IS WHY THAT IS DESIGNED THAT WAY. Wow, another new concept to you, things are usually designed for a reason. Especially when tens of thousands of dollars are being invested into production of coolant passages through your throttle body that you are removing because you think its useless. Just think, why the **** would that be there?

 

Honestly, WICKEDOWSIX, what do you do for a living? I am very curious. What is your education background?

[Punisher]

Before this thread gets locked, I would say go ahead and do it. I guess just be mindful if you are going to be running it in a very cold climate.

 

Oh why would he do that SuperSlowSS? Why would he be mindful? Everyone is doing it and there is no point to it as the super-genius WICKEDOWSIX says. AND ITS FREE!! He sounds so logical and intelligent, maybe you can help out why it might not be a good idea!

[superslowss]

Oh why would he do that SuperSlowSS? Why would he be mindful? Everyone is doing it and there is no point to it as the super-genius WICKEDOWSIX says. AND ITS FREE!! He sounds so logical and intelligent, maybe you can help out why it might not be a good idea!

 

Not getting into any of the above arguments. Just putting my 2 cents out there.

 

Last post on this topic!

Edited January 28, 2010 by SuperSlowSS (see edit history)

[Punisher]

Not getting into any of the above arguments. Just putting my 2 cents out there.

 

So your opinion of being mindful among cold weather would be influenced why? I am sure there is a reason. Its not getting into an argument, you have a reason for saying it so why not explain?

[12'SROCK]

Einstein? Okay, I like nicknames. How do you like, Forrest Gump?

 

Ok Forrest. Let me break this down for you.

 

The vehicle cannot drive if:

 

It has no form of energy to move. (I.E. if you have no operating throttle body)

 

It has no form of transferring the energy. (No transmission, axles)

 

It needs to have operating brakes for the vehicle to drive, otherwise it cannot stop.

 

Now the functionality and reliability OF its functionality is not determined by a defroster that was not used for many years and substituted for a window scraper for ice, and a rag for fogged up windows. As well as windshield wipers was not standard on vehicles until 1916 and people at the time did fine without it. Why? Because it has nothing to do with the drive ability, functionality, and reliability of a vehicle.

 

You would call defroster/defogger, wiper blades, wiper motors as a convenience.

 

Have you been to a drag strip? Have you seen a real race car. Gutted to its base needs, they don't have defroster/defogger, wiper blades, wiper motors, or electronic seat motors. They work using a vehicles drive ability needs. Have you noticed that? Wow, what a concept.

 

Now when GM designs a new top of the line vehicle, they assume mentally challenged morons aren't beating on their car windshield saying they can't drive because their window motor doesn't operate (I.E...you). Rather they are concerned about someone actually driving their car and it functioning properly to drive.

 

THAT IS WHY THAT IS DESIGNED THAT WAY. Wow, another new concept to you, things are usually designed for a reason. Especially when tens of thousands of dollars are being invested into production of coolant passages through your throttle body that you are removing because you think its useless. Just think, why the **** would that be there?

 

Honestly, WICKEDOWSIX, what do you do for a living? I am very curious. What is your education background?

 

 

Man you are really going to loose sleep over this aren't you.. You got WAY off topic.. This was about operating properly in -20 degree weather that you are so excited about. Get you panties out of your ass crack and move on.... I'm done in here you just ruined this guys thread.

Edited January 28, 2010 by WICKEDOWESIX (see edit history)