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Need to Lose 3 Tenth's By March 23rd!!!


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Any ideas besides the obvious (cam, heads, FI, etc.)? I don't have time or the money for those right now. E-fans are going in soon so that may help. TIA...

 

Can you drop some weight from the SS? Maybe playing around with your tune could help drop some time.

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I assume you've removed the spare & other excess weight. Things I've wanted to try to cut drag but have no idea their worth, but could really help in the last 1/2 of the race -

  • Have you already got a ram-air tube on your CAI? I was thinking of taking sheet aluminum and boxing in the whole lower-central grill opening as well as the right-hand brake duct to capture more air at speed :dunno:
  • A belly pan :dunno:
  • Stuff a piece of cardboard into the unused left-hand brake duct :dunno: block off all holes through the front grill not essential for radiator
  • I know a ton of air leaks between the top of the headlights & the hood (it's why the hood wants to fly off above 100+) seal that off somehow :dunno:
  • Cobble-on a Tahoe front air dam to cut more air out from under the truck :dunno:
  • Box-in underneath bed, the rear bumper (or roll pan) is acting like a drogue chute :dunno:
  • Light-weight bed cover, even a fabric one to keep the air from entering the bed and cut drag :dunno:

Mr. P. :)

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Well... 3 tenths is alot and then again its not...it will take about 40-50hp or almost 300lbs in weight savings to accomplish. You already have one of the best converters there is for racing, doubtful you could pick up 3 tenths with a different converter, maybe a tenth (thats another $500+ for a new converter too) You are already running a 4.10 right? Gear change wont help and can be extensive on awd. Efans are good for 10hp maybe. So we need to find you 30hp. Some obvious answers would be just go with nitrous, but that would cost at least $500 even for a 50hp shot. So...Why not just drop the $800 for a cam and cam install and be done with it? That will net you 3-5 tenths right there. The other question is, can you get the truck down 300lbs in weight? Do you really want to start removing door panels, seats, etc? You can get these pigs down 300lbs even after removing the spare tire and obvious, but its not easy. I vote go for the cam now and get the heads when you can. You should be able to get a cam in there for 800-900 and guaranteed to reach your goal.

 

Playing with a custom tune may be able to yield 3-5hp at best, on the flip side though it could reverse the effects and lose power. The point of a custom tune is to be at the absolute best already.

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Light-weight bed cover, even a fabric one to keep the air from entering the bed and cut drag

 

Better than that is to just remove the tailgate (tailgate weighs what? 50-75lbs? 100lbs?) Air entering the bed will flow right out the back. Adding a fabric bed cover will add at least 15-20 lbs and not have much more of an aerodynamic effect.

 

Thinking about some of the things Mr. P said, you could lower the truck and install stiffer springs, etc. This would prevent the truck from rocking back so much on its rear at take off. Weight transfer takes time and if you can reduce the time it takes for the truck to transfer its weight from the launch (by lowering the truck, reducing the travel, and increasing the spring rate and replacing the shocks) you can gain possibly up to 2 tenths. But then again...springs, etc are going to be just as expensive as a cam install...im really for the cam install...

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Light-weight bed cover, even a fabric one to keep the air from entering the bed and cut drag

 

Better than that is to just remove the tailgate (tailgate weighs what? 50-75lbs? 100lbs?) Air entering the bed will flow right out the back. Adding a fabric bed cover will add at least 15-20 lbs and not have much more of an aerodynamic effect.

It is fact adding a tonneau cover improves mileage 6%, and removing the tailgate hurts mileage 6% - however I agree in this case removing the 75-100 lbs far outweighs the aero benefits, I'd do it.

 

Mr. P.

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Run a set of smaller diameter tires. This effectively lowers your gear ratio. I am not sure if that would drop you 3 tenths or not, but it would help.

 

Or...you could install a Radix.

 

The others have suggested weight reduction. Make sure your spare is out, you don't have things like a rubber bedmat, or underseat storage. Clean out your console and glove box. Run an 1/8 tank of gas. And skip a few meals buddy! :)

 

If you had a Nissan Titan, I would also suggest draining the coolant, engine oil, and front and rear diff lube. There is a potential weight savings there :). But since I want your SS to last more than a single 1/4 mile pass, I would advise against that.

 

Mike

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It is fact adding a tonneau cover improves mileage 6%, and removing the tailgate hurts mileage 6%

 

I'd love to see that study. You are saying that by removing the tailgate on the pickup truck will reduce gas mileage by 6% compared to a stock open bed with tailgate closed? I wouldnt argue that a bed cover may increase gas mileage better than removing the tailgate, but I'm having a hard time believing removing the tailgate reduces gas mileage.

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I'll be damn'd Mr. P. You were right. :thumbsup:

 

I did some rsearch and here is what I found...

 

http://www.realtruck.com/shared/pdf/manufa...egassavings.pdf

 

 

Pace-Edwards

Truck Bed Cover

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The Roll-Top-Cover ®, BedLocker ®, and JackRabbit™ retractable tonneaus offer an

increase of over 11% in fuel economy. Pace Edwards’ tonneau covers roll up automatically

into a canister housing at the front of the truck bed allowing instant access to your cargo

without the hassle of snaps or gas shocks, and does something that canopies cannot do,

reduce your fuel bill. Based upon a study performed at Western New England College School

of Engineering, reducing drag due to air flow in the truck bed with a tonneau cover will

result in an 11.81% decrease in drag as compared to a truck bed without a cover. The study

revealed a canopy actually increases drag and fuel consumption. These results will vary

depending on the make and model of the vehicle.

At Western New England College, Todd Ortolani and Vanwijak Ewosakul, under the

leadership of Dr. Alan Karplus, performed an in-depth study on the effect of airflow once it

passes the truck’s cab. The flow separates behind the cab and enters the truck bed resulting

in a drag coefficient (Cd) of Cd = .432 if the bed is not covered. When a square truck cap is

added, the drag coefficient increases to Cd =.480, or an 11.11% increase in drag. When a

tonneau cover is used, the drag coefficient decreases to Cd =.381, or an 11.81% decrease

in drag. Additional comparisons were made in the study by changing the tailgate. Replacing

the tailgate with a cargo net resulted in Cd =.461, a 6.71% increase in drag compared to

removing the tailgate which resulted in a C d=.447, a 3.47% increase in drag. Also,

lowering the tailgate resulted in Cd =.414, a 4.17% decrease in drag. The results of this

study concluded that the best method of decreasing the drag coefficient, thus increasing

fuel economy, is to install a tonneau cover over the truck bed.

For years, users of Pace Edwards’ truck bed covers have testified at seeing improved gas

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Studies show the average truck owner drives 18,000 miles per year. At 15 mpg that comes

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Myth Busters did the Tailgate off/ tailgate on/ bed cover/tail gate mesh. The winner was the tailgate mesh. They had all kinds of scientific data to prove it.

So Judging from that I would say take the Tailgate off and put a mesh net up in its place.

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Myth Busters did the Tailgate off/ tailgate on/ bed cover/tail gate mesh. The winner was the tailgate mesh. They had all kinds of scientific data to prove it.

So Judging from that I would say take the Tailgate off and put a mesh net up in its place.

:eek: Woah are you sure? I thought I saw them say the cargo net was the worst as it did not allow creation of the separated bubble... Don't get me wrong not bagging on you, did I miss that part of the show?

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When a square truck cap is added, the drag coefficient increases to Cd =.480, or an 11.11% increase in drag. When a tonneau cover is used, the drag coefficient decreases to Cd =.381, or an 11.81% decrease in drag.

 

What the heck is a "square truck cap?" :dunno:

 

Mike

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No tailgate

Take out the rear seat

Take off the bumper and hitch

 

Do you have access to tuning software?

 

Get some shorter wheels and tires (less weight is ideal) and adjust the tune for the "gearing" change. I run 29.1". You can run the shorter wheels with out tuning changes but it will mess up some parameters and you will not get the total benefit.

 

Race gas and increased timing. Get some 100 Octane and bump the timing table by 2-5*. CHECK for KR!

 

I'll bet on .3 with those addons.

 

Do you deep stage or shallow? Just tickling the pre stage lights is good for .05 in theory.

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