Turbo Or Supercharge?

[dcairns]

You don't say where you are from, but if you are in a state with smog inspections, be sure to consider a system that will pass that inspection.

 

My vote is for the Radix (yes I am biased ). No tinkering required, just bolt it on and enjoy. Very reliable and looks like it came from the factory with it.

[Quik]

you'll spend 5x more tuning a turbo than you would a bolt on radix or tvs. Plus you don't have to have as many supporting mods with a supercharger vs. turbo to make decent power.

 

Supercharger all the way and don't look back. You can call me if you want to discuss it further. Pm me for my #

curious how you came up with the figure of spending 5x tuning a turbo setup

 

i got to hear this one,

[blownsschevy]

I have an 04 AWD SSS with a Radix Magnacharger blower, everything else on my truck is stock. It is my daily driver for the past two years and I have never had any problems at all with it. The guys are right, either set up can cause motor issues if ran incorrectly as they are both forced induction.

 

I would definitly go with a Magna as I know first hand the power and reliability they supply.

 

Also, you have to think about what your over all plan is for the SSS. What exactly are you trying to do with it?

[chpspecial]

from my observations, all base kits are reliable and work well with a stock set-up at the designed "kit's" output. Its when people start pushing for max power that things go sour. Turbos are the easiest to push to the limit and usually the first to melt down an engine, because they very easly can over boost a system. its harder to get boost out of a supercharger than a turbo.

 

I think this is a matter of weighing the pros and cons of each system and choosing which is the better pick for you.

[Quik]

here soemthing to think about. Turbos have came stock in vehicles for years and they have plenty of reliabities.

 

as for maintenance and up keep, every setup out there will need to be maintenanced. I almost garrenty most ppl out there over look flushign their coolant when using Dexcool around 40k, most ppl over look changing tranny fluid at 35k intervals.

 

also addign boost to a motor that was never intended for boost is going to require more attention to it then a motor that orignally spec'd for boost

 

 

if i wanted a little more UMPH in power and something i could slap on i would go a Maggie. If i wanted to make actual power then i sure as hell wouldnt use a maggie or its cousins

 

if i wanted some actual power for a pricey tag i would go centrif blower.. you get power and whine

 

 

if you want flat out power most then go turbo, turbos put out more power for less effort

 

 

also something to think about with a turbo cubic inch isnt as important but with a blower you need cubic inch to go along with the blowers to make power

[W2W402]

here soemthing to think about. Turbos have came stock in vehicles for years and they have plenty of reliabities.

 

as for maintenance and up keep, every setup out there will need to be maintenanced. I almost garrenty most ppl out there over look flushign their coolant when using Dexcool around 40k, most ppl over look changing tranny fluid at 35k intervals.

 

also addign boost to a motor that was never intended for boost is going to require more attention to it then a motor that orignally spec'd for boost

 

 

if i wanted a little more UMPH in power and something i could slap on i would go a Maggie. If i wanted to make actual power then i sure as hell wouldnt use a maggie or its cousins

 

if i wanted some actual power for a pricey tag i would go centrif blower.. you get power and whine

 

 

if you want flat out power most then go turbo, turbos put out more power for less effort

 

 

also something to think about with a turbo cubic inch isnt as important but with a blower you need cubic inch to go along with the blowers to make power

 

Wow if that isn't a one sided post. A ton of people have been making a lot of power with the new 1900 and 2300 Maggies. I totally agree if all out power is what your after I would suggest turbo hands down. But to claim "a little more UMPH" with a 2300 is a little off and missleading.

 

Superbrd made over 700 AWHP out of his 2300 and I am assuming Dave (usbodyguard) will too no problem. I will to with my build in the spring.

 

Back to the orginaly post it sounds like you are after a little more power not beat the world power to break records. It is no secret turbos although more efficent and more capibable, require more customization, like heat sheilding, tuning, fabing ect.

 

If you want hassle free, complete bolt on power look into Magnacharger. From the orginaly post it sounds like that is what you are after. If you want to go bigger like others have pointed out look turbos or centrifical superchargers.

Edited March 24, 2010 by W2W402 (see edit history)

[Quik]

Wow if that isn't a one sided post. A ton of people have been making a lot of power with the new 1900 and 2300 Maggies. I totally agree if all out power is what your after I would suggest turbo hands down. But to claim "a little more UMPH" with a 2300 is a little off and missleading.

 

Superbrd made over 700 AWHP out of his 2300 and I am assuming Dave (usbodyguard) will too no problem.

 

Back to the orginaly post it sounds like you are after a little more power not beat the world power to break records. It is no secret turbos although more efficent and more capibable, require more customization, like heat sheilding, tuning, fabing ect.

 

If you want hassle free, complete bolt on power look into Magnacharger. From the orginaly post it sounds like that is what you are after. If you want to go bigger like others have pointed out look turbos or centrifical superchargers.

you had mentioned 700awhp from a 2300 correct? Dave had a 427 which alone should be a 500 to the wheels motor easily. to spend the money it costs on a 2300 to only acheive 700awhp id shoot myself. A stock internal 6.0 with a turbo can do 700 easily, stock internal 6.0 with a procharger will do 700 easily

 

 

i havent seen a big Rwhp from a 2300 yet, i think most ive seen is low 900s and that was a big 434ci motor. a 434 ci motor with properly sized turbo you have well over 1500+ rwhp

 

 

you mention more tuning. the tuning it takes to tune a turbo setup isnt anythign more then any other boosted setup.

[W2W402]

you had mentioned 700awhp from a 2300 correct? Dave had a 427 which alone should be a 500 to the wheels motor easily. to spend the money it costs on a 2300 to only acheive 700awhp id shoot myself. A stock internal 6.0 with a turbo can do 700 easily, stock internal 6.0 with a procharger will do 700 easily

 

 

i havent seen a big Rwhp from a 2300 yet, i think most ive seen is low 900s and that was a big 434ci motor. a 434 ci motor with properly sized turbo you have well over 1500+ rwhp

 

 

you mention more tuning. the tuning it takes to tune a turbo setup isnt anythign more then any other boosted setup.

 

I never said a maggie can or would compete with a turbo...get off it. Quite comparing to two. If you read my post in full you would have also read "If you want all out power, TURBOS is the way to go" I simply said telling someone a maggie would add more "UMPH" is totally misleading. Everyone knows you love turbos...be at least a little open minded here.

 

To try to sway a person into a turbo that is just being introduced into FI is like sleeping with a porn star to loose your virginity...A little over kill I say. You're only going to get hurt in the end, or at lease the clap. Baby steps bro.

[Jerry_05SS]

If I had the money, I would go with a tvs1900 hands down

[Quik]

I never said a maggie can or would compete with a turbo...get off it. Quite comparing to two. If you read my post in full you would have also read "If you want all out power, TURBOS is the way to go" I simply said telling someone a maggie would add more "UMPH" is totally misleading. Everyone knows you love turbos...be at least a little open minded here.

 

To try to sway a person into a turbo that is just being introduced into FI is like sleeping with a porn star to loose your virginity...A little over kill I say. You're only going to get hurt in the end, or at lease the clap. Baby steps bro.

then you agree with what i said. if your only looking for little more umph then a Maggie style is the way to go But, instead you decided to argue.

 

i like turbos for bang for buck, if a centrif was a better bang for buck id like that

 

maggie style is great for a DD and setup that wants little more then NA

 

when you want to step up with the big leagues then you got to step up to the big toys

 

im also not a fan of IATs over 100*

[blackbeast ss]

then you agree with what i said. if your only looking for little more umph then a Maggie style is the way to go But, instead you decided to argue.

 

i like turbos for bang for buck, if a centrif was a better bang for buck id like that

 

maggie style is great for a DD and setup that wants little more then NA

 

when you want to step up with the big leagues then you got to step up to the big toys

 

im also not a fan of IATs over 100*

i seen a lot of turbo set ups @ r.e.t tunning in downey CA with iats well over 120* so no need to lie superchargers and turbos are both badass is just a matter of preference !! Edited March 25, 2010 by blackbeast ss (see edit history)

[W2W402]

then you agree with what i said. if your only looking for little more umph then a Maggie style is the way to go But, instead you decided to argue.

 

i like turbos for bang for buck, if a centrif was a better bang for buck id like that

 

maggie style is great for a DD and setup that wants little more then NA

 

when you want to step up with the big leagues then you got to step up to the big toys

 

im also not a fan of IATs over 100*

 

First thing, if I had to do my setup over again I would have gone turbo...no question, so take your salesman outfit off. Only reason I am giving you flack is because you are misleading the orginal poster with the word UMPH regarding maggies. From a hole shot there are very few things that will hang with the roots stye blower for the first 60 feet. In a street race that is what you get sometimes. I don't have a TQ curve, I have a TQ wall. Take a look a a dyno sheet of a 2300. The TQ these things make down low is instant and huge. To call that UMPH is very misleading.

 

We are talking to a person here that is NEW to FI, with little or no experience to superchargers or turbos. Even throwing him a 2300 would be to way to big. You are not trying to sell me a turbo, I am just trying to make you understand there are other very good FI setups out there even maggies that add more than UMPH as you put it.

 

And to say "step up to the big leagues" you mean like Funny cars, or rails? How many turbos you see on those. I know with the way things are going we will eventually see turbos on both but for right now don't forget superchargers still are king of the hill. Way off topic I know but don't jump into the "big leagues" argument yet with your turbo setup.

 

to put an end to this I love turbos, BUT to the orginal post, I think a 1900 maggie would be great for your setup.

Edited March 25, 2010 by W2W402 (see edit history)

[detjoe]

I might know of a jack shaft radix that you could get for a good deal...jackshaft might let you get a little more flexablility allowing you to overdrvie it.

 

A nice thing about the Maggie's is the instant torque...you dont need a converter swap to get the best set-up. And any time you dont have to dro the trans is good to me!

[Quik]

First thing, if I had to do my setup over again I would have gone turbo...no question, so take your salesman outfit off. Only reason I am giving you flack is because you are misleading the orginal poster with the word UMPH regarding maggies. From a hole shot there are very few things that will hang with the roots stye blower for the first 60 feet. In a street race that is what you get sometimes. I don't have a TQ curve, I have a TQ wall. Take a look a a dyno sheet of a 2300. The TQ these things make down low is instant and huge. To call that UMPH is very misleading.

 

We are talking to a person here that is NEW to FI, with little or no experience to superchargers or turbos. Even throwing him a 2300 would be to way to big. You are not trying to sell me a turbo, I am just trying to make you understand there are other very good FI setups out there even maggies that add more than UMPH as you put it.

 

And to say "step up to the big leagues" you mean like Funny cars, or rails? How many turbos you see on those. I know with the way things are going we will eventually see turbos on both but for right now don't forget superchargers still are king of the hill. Way off topic I know but don't jump into the "big leagues" argument yet with your turbo setup.

 

to put an end to this I love turbos, BUT to the orginal post, I think a 1900 maggie would be great for your setup.

again youre arguing for the hell of it to just make a post. ive said all along maggie is what would be best f or HIM. that little more umph is there with the maggie

 

 

o btw. the big blowers those funny cars your speak of arent the same as the maggies or the centrif you see on modern vehicles. So that is a wash out

 

im not selling him on turbo, read anywhere you possibly can in this post im trying to sell turbo. Ive stated since post one that a maggie would best suit his needs.

[Quik]

i seen a lot of turbo set ups @ r.e.t tunning in downey CA with iats well over 120* so no need to lie superchargers and turbos are both badass is just a matter of preference !!

my personal setup never seen high IATs. never once seen 120*. highest was sitting in staging lanes and that was 108*. Typically i see 20* above ambient and that is no meth or E85. Pretty effiecent setup

 

just not a fan of putting hot air into a motor, which will reduce power and possibly lead to melted motor parts