m396 #00-011 Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Yes, Ben it comes with new lines. They are either Russell's or Goodridge's, I'd have to look. Stillen also sales Earl's lines. It comes as a Five line kit. I already have SS lines, so I'm putting these on the wife's Tahoe. They made a little difference, these new GM's Brake Booster softens the pressure to much to get the full effect. I'm going to go with new ss lines and better fluid. That should give me a little more, which is all I'm expecting. I'm not that unhappy with what GM gave me. I will be cheeper, and I bet do more for you than the guys just buying rotors. BTW, Ford Motorsport Fluid is a great inexpensive fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenKey Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Better than just regular old dot III? How good is this Motul Dot 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m396 #00-011 Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Better than just regular old dot III? How good is this Motul Dot 4? Thanks to Dave Zeckhausen who is as obsessive about brakes as I am abouttools. This is one of his well circulated postings: Lets look at what the DOT ratings mean. The table below shows the MINIMUM wet and dry boiling points for DOT 2, 3, 4, and 5 brake fluid in degrees fahrenheit: DOT 2 DOT 3 DOT 4 DOT 5 Dry Boiling point 374 401 446 500 Wet boiling point 284 311 356 The DOT 2 spec is for drum brakes and is obsolete. If you have any DOT 2 in your garage, throw it away! DOT 5 is for silicone brake fluid. Silicone brake fluid (DOT 5) should be avoided because it is not compatible with regular brake fluid, it is hard to pour without introducing bubbles and thus results in soft pedal feel, and moisture still gets into your system and will pool in low areas like your calipers and encourage rapid corrosion. STAY AWAY! That leaves DOT 3 and DOT 4 fluids. These fluids are compatible with each other and may be interchanged or mixed with no ill effects. Let's look at some popular brake fluids and their boiling points: Fluid DRY WET Castrol LMA DOT 3/4 446 311 Ford Heavy Duty DOT 3 550 290 ATE Super Blue Racing 536 392 ATE TYP 200 536 392 Motul Racing 600 585 421 Castrol SRF 590 518 Performance Friction 550 284 Castrol LMA is very good at rejecting moisture and may be kept in your brake system for a couple years. The LMA stands for "Low Moisture Absorption". This is the minimum quality stuff that I would use in my Impala. It comes in plastic containers which do not have a long shelf life. Don't buy lots of this stuff at a time because moisture can make its way through the plastic containers. Ford Heavy Duty DOT 3 is VERY inexpensive and is popular among racers because of its excellent dry boiling point. It absorbs moisture quickly, but the racers don't care since they change their fluid frequently. Comes in metal cans so it may be stored. I would not use this in my Impala for the street. ATE Super Blue Racing and ATE TYP 200 are the same brake fluid in two different colors (blue and amber, respectively). BMW recommends this brake fluid for their street cars because it, like Castrol LMA, absorbs moisture very slowly. The advantage over LMA is that ATE has a much better wet boiling point. You can put this stuff in your car and forget about it for a long time. An excellent choice for a weekend track car which also sees regular street duty. Comes in metal cans. This is what I use in all my street cars. Motul Racing 600 is a very exotic and expensive synthetic fluid with high wet and dry boiling points. I use this exclusively in my race cars. Too expensive for the street and requires frequent changing due to its hydroscopic nature. Sold in plastic bottles. Castrol SRF is a hyper-exotic and hyper-expensive brake fluid that is generally used by wealthy Porsche owners at track events. I've seen prices of $78 per liter for this stuff. It is not suitable for the street because it absorbs moisture quickly. Sold in metal cans. I can't afford this stuff! Performance Friction High Performance DOT 3 has a good dry boiling point but a crummy wet boiling point. It comes in metal cans which is good for shelf life and sells for $7.87 per 16 ounce container. If you are even considering this fluid, I would go with the cheaper Ford Heavy Duty DOT 3. In either case, change this fluid frequently due to the poor wet boiling point. For those still following this thread, I found the specs on the mentionedHD brake fluid. PT# C6AZ-19542-AB is correct. DOT SPECS DOT3 DOT4 DOT5 Ford DOT3HD --------- ---- ---- ---- ----------- Dry Boiling Point 401F 446F 500F 550F Wet Boiling Point 284F 311F 356F 284F ^^^^^^ Note the drop in the wet boiling point. Unless you're changing fluid every couple of months, this is a _BIG_ factor to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m396 #00-011 Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 More Fluid Comparo's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenKey Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Jason - thanks The kind of info I needed. Couldn't get the link to work, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m396 #00-011 Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Jason - thanks The kind of info I needed. Couldn't get the link to work, though. www.timskelton.com/lightning/race_prep/brakes/brake_fluid.htm Type that in and try. It's a good link and article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plwtwo Posted February 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 The ATE super blue is cool, I use it in my Motorcycles.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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