tburkdoll Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 which one is it? did the gov't "take" them over? or did they have the choice to "accept" the bail out? which point are you trying to make? The gov't hasn't taken them over officially yet but with the acceptance of the bail out plan chrysler and gm are both accepting gov't loans. The gov't of coarse has to make sure they know where their money is going and they have to make sure the money is going into the area's that they find suited Thus allowing gov't control inside the corporations. I hope this clears up the confusion.... "Know what i mean, not what i say" lol I just disagree with the way this is being handled. Not trying to start any arguments here....but just my $.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wody Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 ...."Know what i mean, not what i say" lol ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garagemethods Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 people need to pay attention to who they vote for. osama def. bringin us some change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahoBLKss Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Sure you cant blaaaaame Obama directly but you can blame them for the bail out...See this is how socialism works...Obama wants everyone dependent on the gov't. thats how they controll you. little by little untill they own you. just like the ammo bill that they are trying to pass in 18 states right now... "unless the ammo is coded it haves to be desposed of by 2011" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxman Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 they arent gettin my ammo they can kiss my ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwest94 Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 No comment from me, I never do when it comes to this type of topic. I'm just posting nothing to get in before the lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahoBLKss Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 they arent gettin my ammo they can kiss my ass check this out peps... http://wearechangecoloradosprings.org/blog/?p=594 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantwomey Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Well, I would sue. Except that even if I won, Chrysler is bankrupt. Mr. P. Has anyone considered that it was insufficently regulated capitalism and ultimately unchecked GREED that was the root cause of all this mess? As a Canadian I can offer you some amusing observations on the american dream not the least of which is why our banking system survived this crisis with little or no impact. Regards, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black2003SS Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Has anyone considered that it was insufficently regulated capitalism and ultimately unchecked GREED that was the root cause of all this mess? As a Canadian I can offer you some amusing observations on the american dream not the least of which is why our banking system survived this crisis with little or no impact. Sure, American greed and some lack of oversight or regulation allowed the current economic conditions to happen. Allen Greenspan and his pushing for low income "no doc" loans helped. Commission greedy loan officers and their companies pushing them to talk anyone into a loan that "qualified" because they had a pulse and a 620 credit score into a home they could no way afford also played a huge roll. The regualr american Joe Schmoe who had an 800 credit score and wanted another $40k line of credit on his home who didnt care if you were honest and told him his house wasnt worth $300k, it was only worth $260k, would find an appraiser or bank that would just agree with him and give him the moneybased on $300k anyway also played a roll. The other major factor that contributed more than anything though was globalization and 30 years of Administrations refusing to impose tariffs on imports, allowing all of our manufacturing to go over seas. First textiles went, followed by industrial manufacturing, then went customer service and IT jobs, and now food production isnt far behind (think I'm kidding? do some research on it. Less than 50% of food in the US stands to produced in the US in the coming years). This is the main reason we are turning into a service economy because service cant be outsourced as it can only be done here. So we are turning into a nation that will wait on each other for an economy, sounds fun huh? Medical industry will be the highest paying until we get socialized medicine and that industry collapses as it converts from privatization to nationalization. I have to agree with Dylan06ss that unions didnt help any of this. However, neither did NAFTA, or other policies prior to, that helped free trade send plants anf jobs over seas. However, who can blame them for pushing for this when they had to pay someone with just a GED $30/hr plus triple overtime sometimes to accomplish 50% capability production of a simple part or some other mundane task? Regardless of what caused this mess, which is a lot more than we have time to discuss here, our country is absolutely heading in the WRONG direction. Was four of McCain better than 4yrs of Obama? That is debatable, but most likely the answer is "It didnt matter who got elected and who preceeded them". Our country's attitude and priorities have been messed up for longer than 8years. Our nations issues go far deeper than any presidential leader or even congress for that matter. We have a nation of uneducated people who are more focused on a pantyless Spears or baby daddy drama with Kfed or Paris Hilton's sex tape than what is going on in the stock market or even being voted on in congress. Everyone says they care, but no one is willing to do anything about it except maybe vote for change, without knwoing what that change is. Everyone wants to blame guns on all the mass shootings, but no one wants to examine it might the pressures our current society has imposed on an individual. Make no mistake, I'm not defending these individuals and there is no excuse, but please explain why there werent any of these shootings 50 yrs ago in schools like there are today? Because the US had a different attitude about raising children and family dynamics, thats why. As a society, we have allowed this to happen. The average citizen doesnt comprehend or understand what is going on. No one takes the time to educate themselves. They buy some propaganda and jump on either the conservative or liberal bandwagon and are quick to judge spewing rhetoric without facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantwomey Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Sure, American greed and some lack of oversight or regulation allowed the current economic conditions to happen. Allen Greenspan and his pushing for low income "no doc" loans helped. Commission greedy loan officers and their companies pushing them to talk anyone into a loan that "qualified" because they had a pulse and a 620 credit score into a home they could no way afford also played a huge roll. The regualr american Joe Schmoe who had an 800 credit score and wanted another $40k line of credit on his home who didnt care if you were honest and told him his house wasnt worth $300k, it was only worth $260k, would find an appraiser or bank that would just agree with him and give him the moneybased on $300k anyway also played a roll. The other major factor that contributed more than anything though was globalization and 30 years of Administrations refusing to impose tariffs on imports, allowing all of our manufacturing to go over seas. First textiles went, followed by industrial manufacturing, then went customer service and IT jobs, and now food production isnt far behind (think I'm kidding? do some research on it. Less than 50% of food in the US stands to produced in the US in the coming years). This is the main reason we are turning into a service economy because service cant be outsourced as it can only be done here. So we are turning into a nation that will wait on each other for an economy, sounds fun huh? Medical industry will be the highest paying until we get socialized medicine and that industry collapses as it converts from privatization to nationalization. I have to agree with Dylan06ss that unions didnt help any of this. However, neither did NAFTA, or other policies prior to, that helped free trade send plants anf jobs over seas. However, who can blame them for pushing for this when they had to pay someone with just a GED $30/hr plus triple overtime sometimes to accomplish 50% capability production of a simple part or some other mundane task? Regardless of what caused this mess, which is a lot more than we have time to discuss here, our country is absolutely heading in the WRONG direction. Was four of McCain better than 4yrs of Obama? That is debatable, but most likely the answer is "It didnt matter who got elected and who preceeded them". Our country's attitude and priorities have been messed up for longer than 8years. Our nations issues go far deeper than any presidential leader or even congress for that matter. We have a nation of uneducated people who are more focused on a pantyless Spears or baby daddy drama with Kfed or Paris Hilton's sex tape than what is going on in the stock market or even being voted on in congress. Everyone says they care, but no one is willing to do anything about it except maybe vote for change, without knwoing what that change is. Everyone wants to blame guns on all the mass shootings, but no one wants to examine it might the pressures our current society has imposed on an individual. Make no mistake, I'm not defending these individuals and there is no excuse, but please explain why there werent any of these shootings 50 yrs ago in schools like there are today? Because the US had a different attitude about raising children and family dynamics, thats why. As a society, we have allowed this to happen. The average citizen doesnt comprehend or understand what is going on. No one takes the time to educate themselves. They buy some propaganda and jump on either the conservative or liberal bandwagon and are quick to judge spewing rhetoric without facts. IMHO, a response more insightful and accurate than most. Also, in my humble opinion don't be too quick to trash public health care. As you may know it's what we have in Canada and despite it's shortcomings I think it's a better system overall. Watching the american media I believe I can see the 'for profit' medical businesses funding commercials that paints a picture that protects their business interests. Regards, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolBlueSS Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 If this is true, im not surpised at all. Welcome to change people, cause it's here!It's true. Chrysler is not taking back any inventory (vehicles or parts) from any dealers that have had their franchise pulled. It will cause some people to go bankrupt. It's severely f'ed up, imo. There's a dealer in Ft Worth that was approached by Chrysler a year and a half ago to open a Dodge franchise. He did, spending however many millions to build a nice facility, ect. He has also been cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolBlueSS Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 people need to pay attention to who they vote for. osama def. bringin us some change! Don't blame me. I voted for the other guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badkarma Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 people wanted change they got it. Because change from bad, to worse is still change. regardless of the cause, and what our new pres can or cant do about any of it, we best buckle up folks, because its gonna get alot worse before it gets better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoTToN Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 so the guy who probably wasnt even born in the US and has barely any political experience is causing problems? I wish we could have seen that comin.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slammedbowtie Posted June 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 so the guy who probably wasnt even born in the US and has barely any political experience is causing problems? I wish we could have seen that comin.. all Americans need lasik surgery lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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