cvp33 Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 Lurkermike- Damn son when you get on a rant........ 5 posts in over 30 days, maybe you shouldn't hold it in sooooo long. What do ya think? As far as the post goes though, I agree. For the most part the SS is NOT the truck we were promised. However, I do respect GM for not supercharging the engine. IMHO that is a true cop out. The architecture of the new 4.8 - 6.0L motor can and will deliver 400+ HP soon, naturally aspirated the way god intended. That will deserve the SS badge. And now a message for the Ford weenies. Supercharged trucks have no heritage and no soul. They do not make a connection with the history of Ford, its founders, its vehicles or its truck owners. It's a cop out. What GM is missing is that the people most upset about the use of the SS moniker are the most loyal of enthusiasts. Owners of SS vehicles from our past, who understand that performance is relative. An SS454 Pickup from the early 90's was unbelievable for its time. It literally ran with IROC Z's and Trans Ams. Does the new SS? Hardly. If its not ready don't make it. If it can't run with the big boys, call it something else; ST / GT / RS, anything but SS. What will we call the regular cab with 400 HP? SS deluxe. The waters are muddied and the names are diluted. GM must make SS mean something more than monochrome paint and 20" tire. JMHO. cvp ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldz5150 Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 I don't know about you guys, but I remember a certain early 90's sonoma that was beating the crap out of 454SS's and Gen 1 Lightning's. And who says AWD is a bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATFINK Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 Yes but it came out after the SS in 91, so in 90 the SS was the fastest. Besides the syclone can't really be classified as a truck, it was more of a Grand National with a bed. Don't take that the wrong way, I love sy/ty's, but sometimes I like to tow. RF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l5gcw0b Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 sorry, i'm no good with chevy's, but can't you simply buy the new silverado reg. cab short bed with a larger engine and RWD, won't it have the same front fascia, not the lower vents, but i realize certain things may be different, suspension and such, but that could prolly be changed for cheaper. Or am I just missing the point? You can only get a 5.3l (285hp) and 5spd on a regular cab 1500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATFINK Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 If I'm not mistaken the 5 speed manual can only be had with the 4.8 liter engine. RF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
454ss Posted December 5, 2002 Report Share Posted December 5, 2002 Amen R/F! My friend from the 454ss.com board where the REAL SS truck owners hang out. Of course with a 454, THM 4oo tranny, and a 14 bolt 9.5" rearend to work with, many 454SS owners over the years have found 13 second quarter mile times with just bolt ons, 12 seconds with a little better parts selection in the bottom end with NORMAL ASPIRATION, like your truck there and 11's and faster on the funny stuff in the blue bottles. And many of these 454SS owners take their 10 + year old trucks upwards of 2,000 miles across the country each year to race at a sactioned "Sport Truck Shootout" event then they drive them home. This past year's 2002 race had not one single Lightning show up. I suspect because they can't take the abuse and break often. A few Rams and Daks did come out and play and were great competition... but the Lightning owners are all afraid of the these "old" trucks that proudly defend the "SS" nameplate for posterity. No, the 454SS's were the fastest production truck in 1990, period. And they were built solid and tough for many decades of use and abuse. And of course all those BBC cubes make modifications pay back huge amounts of returns in power gains when simple bolt on mods are employed. The Silverado "ss"... (I use a small case "ss" for all vehicles that fall short of the performance levels their off-brand peers but have the factory "ss" designation tacked on them to fool the uneducated buyers, a rip-off IMHO)... as I was saying, the Silverado "ss" has no hope of beating a lightly modded Furd Lightning without spending another $40,000 in performance upgrades on it. It is a nice truck and deserves to wear "RS" badges as the Rally Sport designation is more appropriate IMHO. But don't rip off unsuspecting customers and degrade the great history of the SS name by mis-identifing it!!! The new single cab "SS" is deserving of the capitalized SS badges IMHO. It may not be the Lightning slayer that we all hope for, but I'm sure it will hold its own repectfully. Those seeking street/strip duty now have another decent platform to work with. A few bolt-ons should make it a stock L beater and some more tweeking might even kill the majority of "pulley" L's out there... If the new single cab SS is anywhere near .3 to .4 seconds of the current model year L, then it has LukerMike's thumbs up for use of the SS badges. Now, who wants to bet that the single cab is just another sick and twisted teaser? Golf clap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSilverado Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 If I'm not mistaken the 5 speed manual can only be had with the 4.8 liter engine. RF Yup, thats why I got the 4.8 and not the 5.3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSilverado Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 sorry, i'm no good with chevy's, but can't you simply buy the new silverado reg. cab short bed with a larger engine and RWD, won't it have the same front fascia, not the lower vents, but i realize certain things may be different, suspension and such, but that could prolly be changed for cheaper. Or am I just missing the point? You can only get a 5.3l (285hp) and 5spd on a regular cab 1500 I think you'll find that the 5.3 in a SCSB Silverado is more than a match for the 03 SS. I wouldnt knock either the 4.8 or the 5.3, they may be the little brothers of the 6.0l but if you dont think they pack a punch you havent driven them in an SCSB, they are hitting 15 flats in the quarter and on occasion a 14.9 (the 5.3 at least). And dont judge the 4.8 until you take the 5-Speed for a drive. I already have 4 5.3 kills in my 4.8 5-Speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyZr2001 Posted December 10, 2002 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 AWD would work on reg cab. They did it with this: http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/...t/coolside.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C3Sierra Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 AWD will work in a regular cab. The AWD trucks are the exact same as a 4WD truck except it has the different transfer case which by the way is the same dimensions. You could make any existing 4WD an AWD by swapping the transfer case and maybe some wiring and computer programming. I don't know about the latter but I know if I disconnect my front driveshaft on my C3 that the computer puts the truck in limp mode. Also for you guys that are doubting the AWD let me tell you that it is awesome. Not only do you have no wheelslip but it actually improves handling greatly. The SS is virtually the same as my C3 with the exception that I have the 325 hp engine and the SS has the 345hp. It is without a doubt the finest truck that I have ever driven and there is nothing out there that comes close in comparison. I know there are faster trucks but they can't compete with this overall package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotbellyJoe Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 However.... SS is not synonymous with 'Complete package' it IS synonymous with 'Fast as hell" so i think that there should be a different label. If they tweek it out i can see it but 345 is not enough. Either way it will be a Nice truck...... This concept to production switch-a-roo is annoying.... SEMA always has some kick-a$$ trucks and then they get water-downed at production time... oh well... -Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Stevens Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 chevy ss's have always been slower than lightnings so why stop a good thing? I have a friend with a 01 lightning with chip and exhaust, and I can readily spank his ass any day of the week with my 90 gmc 350. My 350 has an edelbrock intake, 2.5in dual exhaust w/flowmasters, underdrives, tornado air mang., flowtech afterburner headers, chip, 3.42 limited slip, TH350 tranny, oh yeah....and a bottle of laughing gas. My track times are 14.27@ 98mph with no gas and 13.12 @107 with the gas. R.Stevens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotbellyJoe Posted December 14, 2002 Report Share Posted December 14, 2002 but that doesn't prove or disprove the post you quote, unless your 90 GMC had SS badges, you are exempt from said post. There ar trucks tweeked and tuned that can kill L's, but stock for stock the L's are tough cookies...... -Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSilverado Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 chevy ss's have always been slower than lightnings so why stop a good thing? I have a friend with a 01 lightning with chip and exhaust, and I can readily spank his ass any day of the week with my 90 gmc 350. My 350 has an edelbrock intake, 2.5in dual exhaust w/flowmasters, underdrives, tornado air mang., flowtech afterburner headers, chip, 3.42 limited slip, TH350 tranny, oh yeah....and a bottle of laughing gas. My track times are 14.27@ 98mph with no gas and 13.12 @107 with the gas. R.Stevens Those are some pretty hard to belive times for a TBI truck. And your buddy with the lighting cant drive........no offense....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSilverado Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 but that doesn't prove or disprove the post you quote, unless your 90 GMC had SS badges, you are exempt from said post. There ar trucks tweeked and tuned that can kill L's, but stock for stock the L's are tough cookies...... -Joe If his truck has SS badges its a fake. The 454SS was the only SS truck offered prior to this and obviously had a 454. However, the 454SS in a race against a First Gen L (stock to stock) is a tossup. So to say the L has always been faster isnt true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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